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ansys” post=70634Irrisolto? Non credo. Se scrivi la seconda riga del codice che ti ho scritto e leggi a pagina 131 il problema è tutt’altro che irrisolto.

Ok, non avevo visto il punto 3, ero rimasto alla parte in cui dicevi “per il palatino attualmente non mi viene in mente nulla” (probabilmente hai editato il messaggio mentre scrivevo io il successivo, oppure poco prima). In ogni caso problema risolto. Grazie 🙂

ansys” post=70634L’arte di scrivere con LaTeX è una guida di base e non può trattare tutti i font che si possono usare con LaTeX. Se si compila con pdflatex l’approccio migliore, secondo me, è di crearsi dei comandi personalizzati per i font.

Ok, son daccordo, però qualche esempio lo poteva pur fare, oppure mettere una tabella con i comandi per usare i font più “famosi” (helvetica, palatino, times, courier, per citarne un paio)… oppure quantomeno spiegare come crearsi un comando personalizzato come tu dici. invece proprio nulla, ha soltanto detto “i font esistono, son fatti così, forse è meglio che li usi in queste situazioni, per il resto sbrigatela tu”, non mi è proprio piaciuto, e infatti mi ha costretto a chiedere aiuto qui 😉

si, l’ho letta, e anche tutta (se non l’avessi letta non saprei neanche che esistono i font iwona e palatino).
Ma purtroppo la parte dedicata ai font è fatta piuttosto male, si limita semplicemente a spiegare che ESISTONO diversi font, che cos’è un font con grazie e uno senza grazie, e consigliare quale usare in determinate situazioni… ma come li uso? Quali sono i comandi per usarli? E se ogni tanto voglio cambiare font (per esempio usare il times piuttosto che il latin modern, ecc) che comandi devo usare? Tutte queste cose l’Arte non le dice per nulla (non sto dicendo che le spiega male: non le spiega affatto).
Il comando \usepackage{mathpazo} per usare i palatino non è neanche minimamente accennato nell’Arte 🙁

Comunque con i tuoi suggerimenti ottengo il palatino di default, mentre devo usare iwona “a comando”. Io invece vorrei fare esattamente il contrario: cioè avere iwona di default, e usare il palatino “a comando”. Come faccio?

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Ho fatto esattamente il tuo procedimento. Confermo che uso TexWorks, e in basso a destra c’è messo UTF-8 come hai detto tu. In alto a sinistra ho selezionato XeLaTeX.
Il codice sorgente è questo:
`\documentclass[11pt,a4paper]{article}

\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX,Numbers=OldStyle]{Iwona}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setmainlanguage{italian}

\begin{document}

Ciao, io mi chiamo SuperMario! Chi è che comanda qui?

\end{document}`
Compilato con XeLaTeX.
Il risultato che esce fuori è questo:
[attachment=156]prova_2012-03-03.pdf[/attachment]

PS: ottengo lo stesso risultato SIA con Windows+miktex che con Linux+texlive. Con entrambe le distribuzioni uso TeXworks

Scusami la banalità della domanda, ma come posso fare? ho inserito \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} in questo modo:

`\documentclass[11pt,a4paper]{article}

\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX,Numbers=OldStyle]{Iwona}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setmainlanguage{italian}

\begin{document}

Ciao, io mi chiamo SuperMario! Chi è che comanda qui?

\end{document}`

ma XeLaTeX mi dà il seguente errore:
`*** you should *not* be loading the inputenc package
*** XeTeX expects the source to be in UTF8 encoding
*** some features of other encodings may conflict, resulting in poor output.

! Package inputenc Error: Unicode char \u8:èch not set up for use with LaTeX.

See the inputenc package documentation for explanation.
Type H for immediate help.
…

l.13 Ciao, io mi chiamo SuperMario! Chi è ch
e comanda qui?
? `

@OldClaudio: La motivazione che mi spinge a usare proprio questi font è che sono gli unici senza grazie che mi piacciono. Se però qualcuno di voi ne conosce di simili, ma con la possibilità anzidetta di usare i numeri in formato oldstyle di default mi faccia un fischio 🙂 I latin modern purtroppo non sono affatto simili (e comunque non mi piacciono).

@egreg9: Infatti volevo dire Iwona o Kurier, ho sbagliato la congiunzione.. 😛

In ogni caso proverò questo XeLaTeX… purtroppo per me è roba totalmente nuova, speriamo bene.
Più che altro non esiste una qualche serie di comandi da dare nel frontespizio per dire di utilizzare i numeri oldstyle di default?

Sono riuscito a risolvere da solo. Per chi dovesse ripassare da qui ho trovato la mia soluzione, assieme a tante altre, qui: http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/6743/biblatex-changing-the-order-of-entries