samiel

Innanzitutto:
`root@debian:~# locate pdftex.map
/usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map
/usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map`
Normale avere due pdftex.map?

Iin ogni caso dentro ci sono tutti i Minion nei vari tipi (Caption ecc)
Ho cancellato l’installazione precedente che mi dava qualche problema.
La cosa (per me) un po’ strana rispetto ai font ottici precedenti
è cha ll’inizio della compilazione appare:
`root@debian:/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/fonts/source/MinionPro# autoinst -target=/usr/local/texlive/texmf-local *.otf
[WARNING] I've parsed both MinionPro-BoldCapt.otf
and MinionPro-BoldDisp.otf as

Family: MinionPro
Width: regular
Weight: bold
Shape: roman
Size: 8.4-13

[WARNING] I've parsed both MinionPro-BoldItCapt.otf
and MinionPro-BoldItDisp.otf as

Family: MinionPro
Width: regular
Weight: bold
Shape: italic
Size: 8.4-13

[WARNING] I've parsed both MinionPro-BoldItCapt.otf
and MinionPro-BoldIt.otf as

Family: MinionPro
Width: regular
Weight: bold
Shape: italic
Size: 8.4-13
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[WARNING] I failed to parse all fonts in a unique way, so I will split
your font family into multiple subfamilies and try again:

MinionPro, MinionProCaption, MinionProDisplay, MinionProSubhead`
e via dicendo. Di conseguenza vengono prodotti quattro distinti file di map,
e non uno solo e unitario come per gli altri caratteri ottici che ho installato,
(tutti disponibili nei quattro tipi normale, Caption, Display, Subhead) e cioè
MinionPro.map, MinioProCaption.Map ecc. In pdftex.map comunque
trovo tutto. A questo punto ho ricompilato l’esempio, ottenendo
un diverso output. Riporto il file di log (scusandomi per la lunghezza):
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LaTeX Font Info: Try loading font information for T3+cmr on input line 8.
(/usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/latex/tipa/t3cmr.fd
File: t3cmr.fd 2001/12/31 TIPA font definitions
)
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. fontspec info: “setup-math”
.
. Adjusting the maths setup (use [no-math] to avoid this).
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\symlegacymaths=\mathgroup4
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LaTeX Font Info: Overwriting symbol font `operators' in version `normal'
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LaTeX Font Info: Overwriting symbol font `operators' in version `normal'
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Package microtype Info: No adjustment of tracking.
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(microtype) `MinionPro' (encoding: EU1).
(microtype) For optimal results, create family-specific settings.
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(/usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf-dist/tex/latex/microtype/mt-cmr.cfg
File: mt-cmr.cfg 2011/04/09 v2.1 microtype config. file: Computer Modern Roman
(RS)
) [1

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(./wwwww.aux) )
Here is how much of TeX's memory you used:
15771 strings out of 493994
341634 string characters out of 3150335
364690 words of memory out of 3000000
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4090 words of font info for 34 fonts, out of 3000000 for 9000
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Il precedente messaggio sulla scalatura del font è scomparso,
ma non so interpretare questo log per capire se vengono usati
i vari tipi di carattere per le diverse dimensioni

m

Messi a letto i bimbi, ho fatto una prova con questo codice:
`\documentclass[a4paper,12pt]{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
\usepackage[italian]{babel}
\usepackage{MinionPro}
\usepackage{microtype}

\begin{document}

normale

\small{poi lkj èpoèpo nbvbnv}

\footnotetext{poi lkj èpoèpo nbvbnv}

\large{poi lkj èpoèpo nbvbnv}

\Huge{poi lkj èpoèpo nbvbnv}

\end{document}`
e leggo nel log:
`LaTeX Font Info: External font `cmex10' loaded for size
(Font) <7> on input line 14.
LaTeX Font Info: External font `cmex10' loaded for size
(Font) <5> on input line 14.
LaTeX Font Info: Font shape `LY1/MinionPro-OsF/m/n' will be
(Font) scaled to size 7.0pt on input line 14.
LaTeX Font Info: Font shape `LY1/MinionPro-OsF/m/n' will be
(Font) scaled to size 14.4pt on input line 16.
LaTeX Font Info: Font shape `LY1/MinionPro-OsF/m/n' will be
(Font) scaled to size 24.88pt on input line 18.`
Naturalmente, potrei aver capito tutto sbagliato,
ma non mi pare utilizzi i vari tipi di font, e che si limiti invece
a scalare il Minion normale…

m

Ah, chiarissimo!

Ma se uso i font con pdflatex e imposto
`\usepackage{MinionPro}`
pdflatex prende semplicemente MinionPro.map
aumentando e diminuendo i carattere
o, a seconda della dimensione del carattere richiesta,
ricorre anche a MinioProCaption.map ecc ?

m

Scusa, ma non capisco bene.
Siamo d’accordo, autoinst installa gli otf. Xelatex gli usa.
Io intendevo chiedere se il fatto che MinioPro
abbia ben quattro file map, uno per dimensione,
può impedire a Xelatex di usarli tutti
a seconda delle dimensioni del carattere
che impostonel file da comporre.
Dalla tua risposta mi par di capire che Xelatex
non ha bisogno di queste map per gestire
adeguatamente le dimensioni del font…
E se compilo con pdflatex? L’esistenza
di queste quattro mappe lo confonde?

m

A dire il vero in questo caso ho lasciato fare tutto a autoinst…
Allora da dove devo togliere a mano? Da /usr/local/texlive/2012/
o da /usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/ ? A me, trattandosi di caratteri
da me aggiunti, parrebbe pià corretto togliere da /usr/local/texlive/2012/…

m

Ahimé, i guai non finiscono mai…
Ho installato l’Adobe Jenson Pro con la medesima procedura utilizzata
per l’installazione dell’Adobe Garamond Premier. Otfinfo mi conferma
l’esistenza del maiuscoletto, dei numeri minuscoli ecc
`root@debian:~# otfinfo -f /usr/local/texlive/texmf-local/source/fonts/jensonpro/AJensonPro-Regular.otf
aalt Access All Alternates
c2sc Small Capitals From Capitals
case Case-Sensitive Forms
cpsp Capital Spacing
dlig Discretionary Ligatures
dnom Denominators
frac Fractions
hist Historical Forms
kern Kerning
liga Standard Ligatures
lnum Lining Figures
numr Numerators
onum Oldstyle Figures
ordn Ordinals
ornm Ornaments
pnum Proportional Figures
sinf Scientific Inferiors
size Optical Size
smcp Small Capitals
sups Superscript
tnum Tabular Figures
zero Slashed Zero`
Eppure, al momento di compilare un testo con Xelatex (ea differenza del Garamond Premier),
i numeri minuscoli e il maiuscoletto risultano assenti (mentre con pdflatex è tutto regolare):
`* OpenType feature 'Numbers=OldStyle' (+onum) not available for font 'Adobe
* Jenson Pro' with script '' and language ''.
…
LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `EU1/AdobeJensonPro(0)/m/sc' undefined
(Font) using `EU1/AdobeJensonPro(0)/m/n' instead on input line 24.`
La questione è misteriosa o si può formulare una diagnosi?

m

Lo stiamo studiando alacremente! 🙂

m

Io ho adottato
`\defaultfontfeatures{Contextuals=NoAlternate}`
proprio per evitare troppi “fronzoli”.
Però due anni fa toccò a me redigere il famigerato Documento del 15 maggio
per l’Esame di Stato di una classe e lo preparai con LaTeX e un Palatino:
vinse il premio di “documento più fashion” dell’anno 🙂
Cmq non solo gli studenti, ma anche colleghi e lettori in genere
prestano scarsissima attenzioni agli aspetti tipografici
e non solo a quelli. Come fa uno che legge libri a sbagliare regolarmente
nell’approntare una bibliografia? E così via…

m